Sunday, July 14, 2013
First, the prosecution didn't really prove its case very well; second, in the United States, white people usually get the benefit of the doubt, while black people do not.
When Obama was elected in 2008, the self-satisfied attitude of the media was that the race problem in America could now be declared solved.
It wasn't, of course.
It is a complicated thing to be young, black, and male in America. Not only are you well aware that many people are afraid of you—you can see them clutching their purses or stiffening in their subway seats when you sit across from them—you must also remain conscious of the fact that people expect you to be apologetic for their fear. It’s your job to be remorseful about the fact that your very nature makes them uncomfortable, like a pilot having to apologize to a fearful flyer for being in the sky.
If you’re a black man and you don’t remain vigilant of and obsequious to white people’s panic in your presence—if you, say, punch a man who accosts you during dinner with your girlfriend and screams “Nigger!” in your face, or if you, say, punch a man who is following you without cause in the dark with a handgun at his side—then you must be prepared to be arrested, be beaten, be shot through the heart and lung and die on the way home to watch a basketball game with your family. And after you are dead, other blacks should be prepared for people to say you are a vicious thug who deserved it. You smoked weed, for instance, and got in some fights at school (like I did)—obviously you had it coming. You were a ticking time bomb, and sooner or later someone was going to have to put you down.
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A child gets murdered in cold blood and a killer walks free. The child is African American and the killer is white. Yeah welcome to America. shame shame shame
Zimmerman exited a safely locked vehicle to pursue and stock a child who was within blocks of his home. The child was then shot to death. That sounds like proof to me. I bet the members of the jury still think the world is flat and believe in the Easter bunny and Santa clause.
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I too am unsurprised by the verdict because the prosecution's case was driven more my pressure to do something than by evidence.
I think that whatever happened between Mr. Zimmerman and Mr Martin that resulted in Mr. Martin's death is not known and a review of the evidence does not lead to strong conclusions based on logical inferences.
The whole race theory as to why Mr. Zimmerman should be convicted (i.e. Zimmerman is white, Trayvon is black therefore convict) is degenerate and needs no further comment.
Conviction is specific, not general. Race problems may exist in the USA but in a fair and just system the jury must believe that the prosecution has proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused (specifically) committed the legally proscribed act with a guilty mind. It is not fair and just to say group A is suffering from discrimination from group B and others therefore the standard for conviction for persons in group B will be lowered or raised for group A.
Wiliam Zanzinger killed poor Hattie Carroll
With a cane that he twirled around his diamond ring finger...
So Zimmermna stalked a young black id who was doing nothing wrong, just walking home one night, provoking a confrontation, then pulled out a gun and murdered the kid. And Zimmemrman walks free. The lawyers are busy figuring it out, but that's what happened. anyone who says "We don't know what happened" is certainly an idiot, since we heard a great deal of testimony about what happened that night. Zimmerman's own account of event convicts him. This was a racist verdict.
@DBK There is no evidence of stalking, as the law would define it. We heard conflicting testimony about what happened that night. Mr. Zimmerman claimed self defence and the prosecution case was very weak in trying to disprove that. I would say that Mr. Zimmerman was not required to account for his actions at all - it is the state's burden to prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Having said that, he did present his defence and the jurors disagree with you. 'Nuf said.
Zeppo, DBK is correct in describing what actually happened.
The prosecution didn't prove this to the jury's satisfaction, but I would remain suspicious whether any amount of circumstantial evidence would have been satisfactory in such a case.
Whatever you believe happened with Martin, I feel that Zimmerman would neither have stalked a white teenager, nor have found a white teenager walking along that street to be so threatening.
Well, my Canadian racism is in play--I'm really, really hoping that the idiot assholes posting here supporting this vile verdict are Americans.
If they're Canadians--listen, scum, how's about you move south of the border where they tolerate your kind of shit. You're not welcome here.
@Purple library guy
You're all bile and no brains, that's why no one listens to what you have to say.
I have read that police conducted interviews with people in the complex, Mr Zimmerman's friends, and many other people and to a man and a woman no one had anything bad to say about Mr. Zimmerman. No past history of racist remarks, no participation in racist groups or functions - nothing - not even the tiniest speck of lint anywhere in his history that he has racist leanings. So how is it that a rational person can conclude from the evidence that Mr. Zimmerman's motives were racist? Cathie, please review the evidence and let me know how you have arrived at your conclusion.
To think that a black man wearing a hoodie walking along a street is dangerous is, in itself, a racist assumption.
Cathie, at no time did Mr. Zimmerman say he thought Mr. Martin was dangerous. He thought he was suspicious and looked like he was "high", which turned out to be incorrect. That in itself is not racist. Mr. Zimmerman was asked by the 911 operator if the person was 'black, white or hispanic' and Mr. Zimmerman replied that he 'thought' he was black, indicating uncertainty.
It is clear that Mr.Zimmerman thought Mr. Martin was suspicious but there is no evidence anywhere (and I mean absolutely none and nowhere) that Mr. Zimmerman had any racist tendencies or leanings. I require evidence not presumption.
Presuming that any negative interaction between a black person and a white person is motivated by by racism, specifically and only on the part of the white person and only because of his/her skin colour, is racist in itself.
One note on a frequently cited but poorly supported meme:
Who were those commentators who declared racism was dead when Obama was elected? I hear about them all the time, but they are never directly quoted.
Many people were over-optimistic as to the degree of progress Obama's election signified, but I can recall NO ONE who said it had magically banished racism to the past. I'm sure that if you searched for a long, long time you could find a few that witless, but the idea that racism had just disappeared was by no means the consensus.
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