Yes, I can understand why people around the world are angry and terrified about what is happening in Gaza to the Palestinians.An important message for the world to hear from the IDF International Spokesperson, Lt. Col. Richard Hecht. pic.twitter.com/e9rmcgLgex
— Israel Defense Forces (@IDF) October 15, 2023
There will be a ceasefire when Hamas unconditionally surrenders. If you hear your legislators ask for a ceasefire, tell them to pressure Hamas to surrender.
— Ethan Wolf 🇺🇸🇮🇱 (@ethanmwolf) October 14, 2023
For those wondering what “from the river to the sea!” actually means, it’s a genocidal call for the elimination of all Jews between the river Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea. This, on the streets of London today, and every day in universities and cities across the West. 🤢 https://t.co/WNVTLQcp7H
— Ben Goldsmith (@BenGoldsmith) October 14, 2023
Even writers I respect greatly, like Hamilton Nolan, are writing things like this - Young Morality and Old Morality.Our political leadership has been silent on addressing the social cleavages within our own society, and how we figure in to a newly unstable global order where slogans no longer cut it. The next decade will be utterly transformational. https://t.co/95mMKl4nBf
— Michael Kempa (@MichaelKempa1) October 14, 2023
Yesterday, I was in Times Square for a rally in support of the endangered citizens of Palestine. Most of the people there were young. But there were also quite a few elderly people, some hobbling on canes, who had painfully dragged themselves out to stand and be a part off the supportive crowd. Because they knew it was important. Because they understood what is at stake. They were not there to compete with the young, to mutter snide takedowns of the speakers, to talk about why the rally should have been framed differently in order to attract the support of more moderate figures in Washington. They were there because people are dying. They had perspective. They had wisdom. I hope that we can all get there, one day.
thousands of Americans in Texas, Arizona, and California—slaughtering babies, raping women, and taking hundreds of hostages back to Mexico. What lwould do? Would we give Mexico electricity if the group accidentally blew up its power plants trying to fire rockets at us?
— Trinity Votes 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇺🇸 (@TrinityMustache) October 14, 2023
There will always be a balancing act between keeping your soldiers safe and complying with international norms/the Geneva convention/basic moral decency
— Angry Staffer 🌻 (@Angry_Staffer) October 15, 2023
Nobody is perfect, but some countries try a lot harder than others. 2/2
... there is the altered military and political context. While Hamas has long been Israel’s sworn enemy, in previous wars with Hamas Israel sought to target and eliminate Hamas leaders, degrade Hamas military capabilities, and punish it so that it would be deterred from launching future strikes. It did not seek to destroy Hamas, fearing what might emerge in its place.This time, stung by the unprecedented brutality of the Hamas cross-border attacks, the Israeli government of Benjamin Netanyahu, now supported by a “war cabinet” including opposition politicians, has vowed the complete elimination of Hamas. The Israelis have also mobilised on a much larger scale, calling up some 360,000 reservists, compared to the 57,000 involved in 2014. The Israel demand that Gazans leave the northern half of the Gaza strip and flee to the south for protection, suggests a far more wide-ranging military incursion than took place in 2014.
A ground war in the Gaza Strip will test the will not just of Israelis and of Hamas; but of the world. It will certainly test the willingness of Gazans and Palestinians living outside Gaza to continue to support the war aims of an unelected regime that has brought hell down on their heads, not for the first time, but perhaps for the last.
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As Wesley Wark points out above, Hamas is an unelected regime. Half the population of Gaza are children and couldn't have voted for them anyway. Yet the so-called civilized and humanitarian government of Isreal holds the civilians of Gaza collectively responsible for Hamas' atrocities. Here's Israeli president Isaac Herzog:
“It is an entire nation out there that is responsible,” Herzog said at a press conference on Friday. “It is not true this rhetoric about civilians not being aware, not involved. It’s absolutely not true. They could have risen up. They could have fought against that evil regime which took over Gaza in a coup d’etat."
So Israel holds children collectively responsible for atrocities committed by a democratically unaccountable regime. It uses this as justification for destroying one of the world's most crowded neighbourhoods with little discrimination, cutting off water and electricity to an entire population, and ordering the 24-hour mass evacuation of over a million people from a tiny land mass with closed borders on both sides.
But sure, Israel is "complying with international norms." I suppose when you look at what other settler colonial regimes have done, the French in Algeria, the British and Dutch in S. Africa, the Belgians in Congo, and the Japanese in Manchuria and Korea, this is true. Slaughter and ten-to-one casualties are the norm when colonists face indigenous uprisings. And the US and Canada is backing the settler colonists, sending them money and arms they don't need, and political support at the UN. By Herzog's logic that makes you and me responsible for the horrors the IDF will inflict on the civilians of Gaza. Is the person who decapitates a child with a bomb more civilized than the one who uses a sword? What about people like you and me, whose governments support a slaughter that's been going on for over 70 years? Are we more civilized than Hamas?
Well, Cap, I think a nuanced moral position isn't going to be possible when Hamaz deliberately targeted children last weekend.
I read an article somewhere that I couldn't find last night, that talked about the difference between deliberate murder of innocent people, and their incidental death in a war. I know in the end it makes no difference to the person who died, but maybe intent should make a difference to the people who remain - what Hamas did was deliberate murder, while Israel is making war against Hamas and causing incidental deaths as a result.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/jan/26/israel1 Hamas not elected? Seems that disinformation. Mac
The Israel-Hamas conflict is a complex and deeply divisive issue. It involves historical, political, and humanitarian aspects. Opinions on the matter are diverse, with concerns about civilian casualties and the need for a peaceful resolution being central to the debate.
Precisely. All arguments I read here slamming balance ignore the years of apartheid, encroaching into Palestine via illegal settlements, and most importantly the deep history. All sides are BAD BAD BAD. It's evil to launch terrorist attacks against children and evil to bomb hospitals in revenge. Period. Nuance is the only path that reflects reflects reality.
The Israel-Hamas conflict is a longstanding and complex issue, marked by cycles of violence and political tensions. It involves deep-rooted historical, territorial, and ideological factors impacting both Israelis and Palestinians.
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