If you want to read about what happened, I found a good play-by-play summary here: ONEST Network Olga Nesterova article titled AUG 15: Trump–Putin in Alaska — What Was (and Wasn’t) Said - a very interesting piece.
A three hour meeting, probably half of it taken up by translation. And then decision to end it, before expanded meeting or working lunch, and separate statements made with no questions taken. Many signs it was a bad meeting.
— Laura Rozen (@lrozen) August 16, 2025
Pictures of BEFORE and AFTER the meeting. Your thoughts?
— Olga Nesterova (@onestpress.onestnetwork.com) August 15, 2025 at 6:16 PM
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Peter Alexander: "What struck me was the looks on the faces of a lot of the American, delegation here. Caroline Leavitt, Steve Witkoff, who came into the room, then left quickly. Leavitt appeared to be a bit stressed out, anxious. Their eyes were wide, almost ashen at times."
— Blue Georgia (@bluegeorgia.bsky.social) August 15, 2025 at 6:44 PM
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Bolton is an ass but he knows Trump and he knows Putin:Canadian news is calling the "summit" for what it was. Pure, unadulterated bullshit. www.ctvnews.ca/video/2025/0...
— Bon Hanson (@bonhanson.bsky.social) August 15, 2025 at 7:25 PM
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Even Fox News couldn't spin it: \John Bolton: "I thought Trump looked very tired up there. I mean, very tired. Not disappointed. Tired. And we'll have to reflect on what that means."
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) August 15, 2025 at 5:40 PM
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Fox is reporting how Putin took charge of the summit, steamrolled Trump, took a photo, and left. It was a slam, bam, thank you ma’am situation Trump wasn’t prepared for. Putin made sure everyone knew he’s in charge of Trump.
— Liz (or Lizzie) Kim 김혜성 💫 (@liz.sheshed.rocks) August 15, 2025 at 6:51 PM
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if there's any good news from this it's that trump and Putin didn't create a horrifying "peace" deal that gave Russia everything and shoving it down Ukraine's throat.
— Witty Librarian Resistance (@paulwartenberg.bsky.social) August 15, 2025 at 6:31 PM
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We don't know what happened, if the summit went badly. But we know Trump thinks it went VERY badly. I think to make sense of the body language we have to remember that all year DC has been a universal fluff farm for Trump. Same w a lot of academia, business, foreign leaders wanting to deal with ...
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm.bsky.social) August 15, 2025 at 6:28 PM
2/ tariffs. Even for someone not quite as big an egomaniac as Trump that's going to affect you. This looks like Anthony from cornfield Twilight Zone episode started demanding someone be nice to him and that person just smacked him upside the head and gave him a bloody nose. Stops ya cold.
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm.bsky.social) August 15, 2025 at 6:28 PM
What I would give to go back to a time when the only question before the end of a US-Russia summit wasn’t just how catatrophically the US president had sold out his country and his allies.
— Andrew Coyne 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇬🇪🇲🇩 (@acoyne) August 15, 2025
Way back in 2023, when Biden started looking old and tired sometimes, the Republicans jumped on it and all of a sudden there were articles in all the media talking about what awful shape Biden was in.that summit could've been an email
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) August 15, 2025
Now I wonder if the same thing is going to happen to Trump -- though of course the Democrats may think its vitally important right now to clutch their pearls about Zohran running for Mayor and Newsome gerrymandering California.
Trump is an demented shit-show mess, but we haven't seen the media adopt the kind of vicious harping that dragged Biden in his last two years.
Now that Trump has shown his inept miscalculations in front of the world and to the stock markets, I wonder if this will change?
Certainly Newsome wasted no time piling on:
And on a side note, now that Newsome started blasting all-caps nonsensical hyperbole posts to troll Trump, it has become a new meme:I love this trolling of Donald. 🤣🤣
— Jon Cooper (@joncooper-us.bsky.social) August 15, 2025 at 8:10 PM
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There were early signs this was going to go badly for Trump. The meeting originally was a Stockholm-style one-on-one between Trump and Putin. At the last minute, a three-on-three was announced with no explanation given. I guess they couldn't trust Trump not to sign over Alaska as an opening bid on a Nobel Peace Prize-winning ceasefire. After all, the Dotard did think he would be meeting with Putin in Russia.
I liked tRump's 2016 campaign's foreign policy.
Alas, it mostly disappeared after he took office ... however had Hillary won in 2016 the Russian invasion likely would have come 4 years earlier. And his outreach to Lil'Kim was also the right thing to do. (Widely criticized by the war-mongers, of course.)
tRump's view of the Russian/Ukraine imbroglio is closer to reality than NATO's provocative nonsense.
On this issue, I wish him well.
NPoV, the Russo-Ukrainian war began in February 2014, when Russia invaded the Crimean Peninsula, part of Ukraine, and then annexed it. During the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump said that he'd consider recognizing Crimea as Russian territory and lifting sanctions on Russia. So, you agree with rewarding Russia's illegal invasion and seizure of Ukraine's land?
Yes, Crimea was always Russian (Like Donetsk etc).
(Just ask Florence Nightingale)
Crimea holds Russia's main southern naval base. After the NATO take-over of the Ukraine in 2014, it was an 'existential act' by Russia to secure their southern flank.
The Russo-Ukrainian war began in when the CIA orchestrated the MAIDAN coup.
"NATO takeover of Ukraine" is just Russian agit-prop to justify Putin's aggression. Putin seems to think he must restore the USSR empire - a dangerous delusion.
Except Crimea was not always Russian. It was part of the Ottoman Empire for centuries until it was seized by Russia during in the 18th century. It was occupied by the Germans in WW2. Then in 1954, the USSR transferred it to the Ukrainian SSR and it remained Ukrainian on the dissolution of the USSR. Russia didn't challenge Ukraine's control of the region until 2014, when Putin decided to put the band back together.
Your logic would justify any number of countries seizing regions formerly under their control. This is no basis for international order and a violation of the UN Charter that all members agree to.
After Napoleon and Hitler and Goldman Sachs (all recent events, btw) Russia is wise to resist western aggression ....
but for those who continue to avoid the historical perspective, I quote a higher power:
Purple library guy said...
On Trump and Putin . . . It doesn't matter much what Trump does. Or what the Europeans do, really. At this point it also doesn't matter whether Putin is a crazed aggressor or whether he really saw the invasion as a last ditch effort to stop NATO, an anti-Russian military alliance, from putting troops and missiles a day's drive from Moscow. It doesn't matter whether NATO for its part was trying to avoid war or whether they originally invited the war as a way to weaken and perhaps precipitate the dismemberment of Russia.
Whatever anyone intended, at this point, Russia is winning.
Winning? In 2022, Russia expected total victory within weeks. Instead, Russia's been bogged down in Ukraine for 3 years. Despite all its resource advantages it hasn't managed to topple the Ukrainian government. Its unmotivated conscripts are up against people on their home soil who hate the Russians for what they did in the Holodomor.
The UK Defence Journal estimated at the beginning of the year that Ukrainian forces have destroyed or captured:
- 9,859 tanks
- 20,545 armoured fighting vehicles
- 22,309 artillery systems
- 1,263 multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) and
- 1,050 anti-aircraft warfare systems
If that's winning, I'd hate to see losing.
If Russia took over Kyiv tomorrow, do you think the war would end? Would Ukrainians stop hating Russians and bow and scrape to Putin like they do? Ha! From Vietnam to Afghanistan, protracted wars haven't ended well for the aggressor.
As well, Russia remains one of the most sanctioned countries on earth. Putin is wanted for war crimes and can't move freely for fear of some country shipping him to the Hague like a common Serbian thug. That won't ever go away. Invading Ukraine was the stupidest thing Putin ever did.
LMAO
"The first casualty when war comes is truth". Hiram W Johnson, staunchly isolationist senator for California, to the US Senate in 1917.
Ever consider who writes the UKDJ?
" protracted wars haven't ended well for the aggressor."
You may not agree but I can build a good case that that NATO is the aggressor here.
a second Nobel Prize for Obama, sounds good to me. Oh to see the look on Trump's face. After Trumps actions on 6 Jan,. no Nobel Peace Prize or the deportation of people who ought not have been deported, just rounded up, jailed, deported, even children. No Peace prize for him. All he does is make war on people living in his own country.
that is so funny, "NATO is the aggressor here". You do have a different sense of humour. I do believe I was awake when Russia invaded Ukraine, stole Ukrainian children some of which have not been returned to Ukraine and their parents. Lets not forget Malaysian flight 17 which was shot down. That isn't what I'd call friendly. that was a case of aggresson and it was determined the Russians were in control of those who fired the missle which brought it down. Lot of dead people and a lot of those where children One thing I know about the Dutch is they have long memories and 193 passengers who were killed were Dutch citizens.
Putin kills people who don't agree with him. The number of people who fall out of windows who disagree with him is a tad much. A ballerina falling out of hotel window. ya right ballerinas dance whole ballets on their toes and she can't balance to stop from falling out of a window. Then there was the guitar playing musician who fell of a window. the list goes on.
Crimea became part of the Russian Empire in 1783, just a couple of years before the USA officially became a country.
It was part of the Russian Empire until roughly 1920 and then a constituent part of the Russian Soviet Socialist Republic of the USSR until 1953. It then became a part of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic of the USSR. In 1991, it became a part of the country of Ukraine then thous nobody asked the Crimeans about this . In a referendum in 1991 and another in 1994, voters voted to separate from Ukraine.
Crimea seems to have been a somewhat unwilling part of the country of Ukraine for about 24 years. IIRC, Alsace–Lorraine was part of the German Empire for about the same time.
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