Wednesday, September 17, 2025

Should we call this one "The War Between The Hates"?

 Dali - Soft Construction with Boiled Beans (Premonition of Civil War)

Some comments tonight on the possibility of a new American Civil War -- which, if it happens, I think we should call "The War Between The Hates" because the MAGA Right seems bound and determined to hate the Progressive Left with the fire of a thousand suns -- damn those "radical leftists" who want to stop school shootings and give everyone health care!

The ppl who keep calling for Civil War & saying we need more guns & pushing the racist Great Replacement Theory & who mocked the murder of George Floyd & the attack on Paul Pelosi & who are totally ok w/beating Capitol cops for a lie... ...want you to tone down your rhetoric.

- John Fugelsang

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THIS JUST IN: The people who are rounding up migrants and throwing them into concentration camps are deeply insulted by the liberals who call them Nazis

- Dreamweasel

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We hold our breath as we wait for the next shoe to drop in the spiral of rage rhetoric and violence in the United States. This is my reflection on the dangerous in-between time as democracy teeters in the time of monsters. charlieangus.substack.com/p/the-danger...

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— Charlie Angus (@charlieangus104.bsky.social) September 16, 2025 at 5:31 AM
Charlie Angus writes: 
 ...There was a time, perhaps when the murder of a man over his political views would have caused people in a democracy to pause and reflect on the need to dial things back.
Not anymore. In the United States, the right have jumped on the Kirk shooting to amp up their war on the progressive middle and left.
...Since the Trump election, I have been haunted by Antonio Gramsci's statement, "The old world is dying and a new world is struggling to be born. This is the time of monsters.”
Gramsci titled this piece the Interregnum — a term from the Roman Empire that describes the period between two rulers. In that in-between, all things became possible — the possibility for change and the possibility for vicious violence.
The interregnum was a frightening time because the Roman Empire had no credible plan for the transition of power. When one Caesar died, the successor was the one who emerged from the violence and intimidation of various competing factions.
Democracy has endured as a system because it is based on a framework that ensures non-violent succession from one elected ruler to the next. Vladimir Putin blew this up in Russia. Not surprisingly, perhaps, since Russian democracy was a helpless babe born among wolves.
Donald Trump has followed Putin like a north star.
And like Putin, Trump is turning the U.S. into a strongman state. ...
This has plunged the United States into a dangerous interregnum. And anyone who thinks the Democrats are going to come in at the midterms and clean up the mess needs to give their head a shake.



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— rusty54.bsky.social (@rusty54.bsky.social) September 16, 2025 at 1:01 PM

The same goes for talk of “revolution.” And “dictatorship.” When all you’ve ever known is life in a stable liberal democracy with rule of law, and the greatest hardship you’ve endured was when the power went off and you had no wireless for a day, and the worst injustice you have suffered was that cop giving you a ticket because he didn’t like you, you have no idea how fortunate you are. Or how much a descent into political violence would cost us all.

- Dan Gardner

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The Grim Historian Carlyn Beccia writes:
Let’s test your bullshit detector. Which quote is from the American Civil War?
1. “You have chosen to inaugurate civil war… we will meet it.”
2. “…their policies are leading America into a civil war. And they want it.”
3. “If they won’t leave us in peace, then our choice is fight or die.”
Answers: Number one is from Governor John Letcher of Virginia on April 17, 1861. Number 2 is from Representative Derrick Van Orden of Wisconsin on September 10, 2025. Number 3 is from turd-stirrer extraordinaire, Elon Musk, on September 11, 2025.
All are frustratingly stupid and dangerous.
The latest histrionic cries for civil war stem from the recent assassination of right-wing influencer Charlie Kirk. After the shooting, Republican Utah Governor Spencer Cox immediately labeled Kirk’s death a “political assassination.” Republican congresswoman Nancy Mace echoed those aspersions: “Democrats own what happened today.”
Then Trump did what he does best. He ratcheted up the volume by blaming Kirk’s death on “radical-left political violence.”
Only one problem. The shooter was not a Democrat. The alleged shooter, Tyler Robinson, is registered as a nonpartisan voter and lives with his parents — registered Republicans.
So every politician and pundit who shrieked about a “political assassination” and blamed the left might want to holster their melodrama and ask themselves why, oh why, for the love of supposed good Christian values, do you keep stirring the turd?
One thing is for certain. It worked.
Yesterday, the phrase “civil war” detonated across X with 210,856 mentions before nightfall. The last time Americans spoke of civil war this often, men were bayoneting each other in cornfields. Soldiers slogged barefoot through stubble and mud, bellies hollow, their gangrenous wounds a buffet for bluebottle flies. Two of every three watched their friends die. And not a good death. Soldiers choked on blood, screamed for their mothers, and gritted through amputations performed with nothing stronger than a swig of whiskey.
And if the bullets didn’t get you, the microbes would. Typhoid and dysentery turned camp latrines into open sewers and men into feverish skeletons. Measles swept through regiments like wildfire. (We actually got that one back thanks to RFK Jr.’s anti-vaxx campaign.) Malaria left whole companies shivering in midsummer. The sour smell of sweat, pus, and blood clung to every flea-ridden blanket. Field nurses wore aprons so stiff with dried gore they could stand in a corner by themselves....
Oooooh, sounds exciting, doesn't it! Now, there is one area of agreement for the entire Internet, left and right -- the so-called text exchange reported by the Utah prosecutor that Tyler Robinson supposedly had with his boyfriend was utter BS.
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— Alejandra Caraballo (@esqueer.net) September 16, 2025 at 7:50 PM

2 comments:

Cap said...

When you replace seasoned, competent FBI officials with unqualified, partisan vloggers and political hacks, you get an incompetent criminal investigation. The FBI twice announced they'd got the shooter only to walk that back. The current suspect was turned in by his parents and pastor without the FBI's involvement.

I have a healthy suspicion of police evidence to start with, but this readout of text exchanges is fishy. I don't put much stock into claims that this isn't how Gen-Zs talk. I'm not familiar with how Gen-Z Mormons communicate, but I'm sure it's not the same as Gen-Zs out of Compton or Brooklyn, so generalizing is a mug's game. But, normally, with a cooperative witness, police produce screenshots showing names, dates, timestamps and emojis. Maybe that's still to come, but not having it now is suspicious, especially with today's politicized FBI.

Cathie from Canada said...

Cap these are good points.
The only professional I have seen in the investigation so far was that prosecutor yesterday but he was the one reading these text messages aloud with a straight face.